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and the issue paying for the border wall instead of mexico. the same risk if the government closes. the national parks close, economic productivity takes a hit and this time embarrassment for the gop. the white house saying, we're serious about this. we'll keep you posted. "hardball" is up next. russian roulette. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. for months there's been a clear pattern coming from the occupant of 1,600 pennsylvania avenue. he's used every tool he has to obstruct and slow down the investigation into his campaign's possible collusion with russia. he reportedly asked top intelligence officials on intervene with james comey. he asked comey himself to kill the investigation into michael
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flynn. then he fired comey. he lashed out as his, at his attorney general for recusing himself in the investigation allowing robert mueller to be appointed. and now he is call up u.s. senators to express his frustration with their refusal to protect him from mueller. as one senior aide said, it seems he's always focused on russia. well, he is working on legislation i know what senator chris kuhns to shield mueller in case he tries on fire him. that trump was unhappy with the legislation and didn't want to it pass. meanwhile a phone call between the president and mitch mcconnell. two days later that devolved into a profane shouting match. the president accused mr. mcconnell of bunkling the health care issue. it was the senate leader's
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refusal to protect him from the russian investigation. what is spooking the president is clear. the special counsel has essentially built his own miniature justice department with 16 of the country's top laushs aboard. let's go to find out what he's afraid of. let's go to our panel. thank you. i want to find out from you, what is in this dossier? we've all heard about the dossier. what is in it besides the embarrassing part which may or may not be true? what is scaring the bejesus out of trump? every time he hears the senate is investigating it, or hearing a witness on it, like glen simpson, one of the people behind the dossier production. >> the crux of it is that over
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the course of five years, the russians built a relationship with trump, gathered compromising material on trump, and did it all with the intention of manipulating him if he ever rose to power. a lot of the stuff has been discredited. some of it, we don't know if it is true or not. it is unverifiable. but it is clearly bothering trump. >> i'm going to end this with my belief about all these cases. couldn't spearcy cases, investigations on, tv, the movies or real life, a city hall case, the person involved in the case knows it all. they know what they did. like they said in philly, georgie knows what georgie has done. they all know it. trump knows everything he tried to cover up, everything he wishes he hadn't done now. he knows it all. it is not a mystery to him. when he hears about bob mueller hiring 16 lawyers, they're really serious about this,
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getting it done. you've dealt with criminal defendants and people watching the case. you can look at they will in court. they know that. they know that. >> if you're innocent, you say i welcome a full investigation because my name will be cleared. if you're not so innocent, you try to get the fbi director to pledge loyalty. maybe you try threaten attorney general being fired. and maybe you call up a few senators which smacks of desperation. there's nothing that mcconnell or a senator can do. the reason this is important, it is another link in the chain to obstruction of justice. more importantly, the question the prosecutor asks, is this someone who has made innocent mistakes or is this a bad dude? more explore the president is looking like a bad dude running scared. >> you're referencing that we have information, in august, a few days, a he called up tillis, a colleague investigating him.
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and you don't know how they're working together. and mitch mcconnell saying gee whiz, why didn't you protect me? it's spilled milk. >> either he is so cloosless, he doesn't understand what he's doing. it has to be against the advice of counsel. his lawyers have to be spinning around, trump, you have to stop if you want to stay out of jail. it sounds kind of desperate. why is he so afraid of this investigation in. >> your thoughts. let's hear about the investigation. we now know that he is making these calls, hounding people. the milk is spent. they already have an investigation. he doesn't want any restrictions on his ability to fire mueller. for cause or just because he's mad day. >> and there are two proposals that would restrict him from firing him. the other is sponsored by lindsey graham who we know he
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has gone after publicly. just like pam tillis, they sit on the judiciary committee. these important people he's alienating. >> what do you make of the fact, for ten hours they heard testimony about the dossier. i always thought, we heard about the embarrassing claim about the hotel room, whatever you make of that. but there's other stuff that you laid out. the whole history of the russian effort to trap him into a relationship. we understand. we watched the americans. we know how things are done. you bring the wife in and all of a sudden, they're involved in part of kabul. in this case, what is he most worried about? >> well, honestly, we don't know until we see the transcripts of this ten-hour discussion. that's expected to come out as soon as next week. then we co-shuld shed more lighn it. >> we keep hearing the sbimations from adam schiff. there's something there. and trump acts like there's
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something there. >> the other wrinkle we haven't talked about is abc reported that christopher steele, the former british spy, has met with the fbi and told him who his sources are. i mean -- >> so this is what i'm hearing. we're hearing that mueller, the best resume in america, he has it all. the 16 people he's been able to recruit. we understand he's using the dossier as his template. let's check out that claim and that claim. using it as the skelton of his investigation. >> we called him bob the boss. he is extremely authorize sxoe very fair. he is looking at this as piece of evidence, unsubstantiated obligations. it is his duty to look at everything. trump is worried about collusion but there's always mission creep.
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so looking at financial dealings, including real estate back in the day. it is all going to come to the light of day. >> we know that before comey was fired, he showed the dossier to trump. i'm laughing because it can only be -- it's like a television -- he shows, here's where we're headed here, mr. president. here's the stuff we may have on you. this may be a road map to putting you out of the office. and trump is like, thank you. joining me, some of the info in the dossier has shown to be in line with what we know happened. so he's backing it up. >> i think there's been an effort by some to discredit the firm or mr. steele. and he has very good reputation. i think the key thing from an investigative point of view is
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not trying to impeach the people who produced the report, or commissioned the report, but rather, find out whether the facts are trooflt when you look at just what has become public, some of the public information is very much in line with what is reported in that dossier. >> you get the sense. i know he's a politician. you get sense from him, he looks very sober. that he has something. he keeps acting like he's got something. he's read much more than we've read. >> the judiciary commission isn't the only investigation going. there's intelligence committee which mcconnell has empowered to the extent we didn't have to. >> so why is trump mad at him? i think you've answered the question. somebody said, around here, you know, we've all watched tv shows. i learned a lot about this. it is called discretion. a prosecutor can decide to prosecute. like the guy in montgomery county, pennsylvania, decided not to prosecute cosby.
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he said i didn't have enough stuff. maybe not. in this case you have friends in politics. not friends. mcconnell is not a friend of donald trump and neither are any of these people. he's saying why are you giving so much leeway to this guy? such a mandate? and nobody, now they want to strengthen the mandate. people like lindsey graham who has bee in his head about trump. you have tillis guy. trump is saying i don't have any friends on the hill. they're not going to protect me if i go down. >> he's not trying to make any friends, is he? even today, after he put out this sort of statement last night, trying to walk it back. he then wakes up and attacks paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. so on one level, he is publicly divorcing himself. then the next time he's calling them up hoping to protect him on
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russia. >> let's talk about the politics of this. not the law. he has no friends. >> and he's trying to pass tax reform? how will that happen? >> let's not get off on that. >> he's not getting anything done. >> why doesn't he just say, i'm inviting you guys to mar-a-lago or bedminster, and say we do control the u.s. senate west do control the house of representatives and i'm president. we have the means to get some things done. we have to use reconciliation for 50 votes or the normal legislation for 60 votes. if we don't do either of those means, nothing is getting done. and we'll lose the next election will. >> remember last time he did that. he just cajoled them on health care. that didn't go over well. >> somebody said, if you're
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going to swill in the river, make friends with the alligators. >> they can't help him with mueller. they can sure help when i am the impeachment though. he's already in that territory, a lower standard for impeachment for obstruction of justice. >> so far, he doesn't have to deal with the pre progressive left. and the rally in phoenix, the president used ununusually harsh language, even for him.nunusual language, even for him. >> these are really, really dishonest people, and they're bad people. and they don't like our country. i really believe that. these are sick people. you know the thing i don't understand? you would think they would want to make our country great again. and i honestly believe they don't. i honestly believe it. >> that's a ridiculous
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statement. the historian john mecham suggested the president had a strategy of sorts. >> i had a sinking and sneaking feeling watching tonight that to some extent, this is a preemptive strike on the credibility of much of the press, in preparation for whatever bad news might be coming. and whether bits russia or whether it is something even he is not sure what it is. if you wound the messenger, if you discredit the messenger to whom the vast majority of country turns, then you raise skepticism, you raise doubt about whatever is reported. >> when reagan lost that first debate, it is hard to imagine that he ever lost a debate but he lost the mondale. and an operative said, if he loses another one of these debates, we have to create a fog machine.
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so much fog no one knows what's going on. >> what they're already planning to do, no matter how bad is news is, no matter how many he digs up. trump will say dishonest media, fake news. >> all they're doing is reporting. that won't make a darn bit of difference when and if the special counsel both issues a report. the president could not be charged as a sit go president. he might be charged after. but deals will be made. mueller has the power to subpoena witnesses, there's something to be uncovered. it will be found. >> i think the way you talk scares the heck out of them. you know what you're talking about. >> thank you, jonathan swan. coming up, president trump's fixation on barack obama. this is really strange. today trump retweeted an image of him eclipsing the foreign
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president. why is he so hung up on his former predecessor? has he got obama envy? are talking about his erratic behavior. they're getting a little weird about this president. and trump is ramping up threats to held to government hostage if republicans don't give him his wall. finally, i don't think he's going to like trump watch. it's balanced...
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since the inauguration, president trump has gone after president obama's legacy with vigor. and today he did it again. just this morning he retweeted an image of himself eclipsing former president obama. he's obsessed. some would argue that he became president because of his hostility toward barack obama. and he questioned not only his birthday addres birthday, but also his pedigree. >> all i want is to see his birth certificate.
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>> i wish he would solve it. if he doesn't, it is one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. >> our current president came out of nowhere. ? fact, i'll go a step further. the people who went to school with him, they never saw him. they don't know who he is. >> now as president trump has made a hablt of comparing himself to his predecessors, starting with the size of his inaugural crowd. let's watch that. >> a young girl in an egyptian prison. president obama was unable to get him out. i had a meeting with the general of just a minute. one one minute we made an agreement and she was released. >> just a question. did president obama ever come to a jamboree?
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we'll be back. we'll be back. they asked me, what about race relations in the united states? now, i have to say they were pretty bad under barack obama. that i can tell you. >> well, some european officials who have dealt with president trump in the past believe his foreign policy is driven by unraveling obama legacies. they say he is obsessed with obama. given the recent events in charlottesville, some are calling for barack obama to speak up. today, carol i'm not randall williams writes, we are a country troubled by the looming possibility of a constitutional crisis and hate groups are claiming the president as theirs. we need your voice. i'll going to let you two go at it. should barack obama come out into the republican square, he hasn't been there in months, not since the inauguration of trump, and join trump in this argument
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over legacy? your thoughts. >> i mean, obviously, i've written this article. i feel like he's got to. he's always been such a poised, measured and careful speaker and i think a lot of us are accustomed in a national crisis to hearing from him. and i think it feels like a crisis to a lot of us. so i'm really longing to hear his insight in this moment. >> your view of this. as political strategist, would you recommend he gets into a public back and forth with the current president? >> well, actually, chris, this is an interesting segment. on national television yesterday, i said especially over sharlcharlottesville, i sa would be awesome if president trump invited former president obama to the white house so we could have a dialogue. absolutely that would be great. in terms of being vocal, i don't
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think that adds anything. i think he could be a welcome voice in terms of uniting the country, standing with president trump. i thought president trump, to carol's point, president trump's points on charlottesville, i believe he portrayed the conscience of the country. i think he add fuel to the fire and it was inappropriate and we need to move forward and unite our country. >> you're talking about a parlay. i don't think that's what you're talking. about you're talking about a public debate. >> i don't even know that i'm talking about, i'm not sure i'm talking about a conversation in that same way. i'm interested in barack weighing in. i'm not sure i'll asking, i'll not asking for him to criticize what's going on. i'm asking him to criticize. for a lot of us, this seems like chaos. when there's chaos happening, you bring in experts to help you
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understand what's going. on barack obama has held the highest office in the land. he held it for eight years. it was a successful tenure. and i would like to know what he thinks what's going on. >> i would be very intrigued to know from your point of view, what do you expect? even if he weighs in, which did he with the nelson mandela tweet. if he weighs in in a way that he you'dizes vocal variety. how does that move us forward as a country? the only thing he would say if it is not a discussion, a national discussion on race, bring in the two presidents together, a former president with current president trump, i don't understand what he would say outside of criticizing trump. so i'm looking to hear from you what is it you believe that he would add to the conversation? although there is a lot of chaos going on. i agree with you on that. what is it you would expect him to do? >> one of the things i would be interested in you knowing, things like civic duties that we
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have, i would be interested in his insight in things that we could do to effectively come together to navigate these moments where we feel drawn to protest more effectively. he is a private citizen now. and i think that he would be one of the most compelling leaders of any movement. >> if i recall correctly, when he gave a speech in chicago, i believe he was at the university chicago. so that to some young leaders. he wanted to do just that. to pass the baton to the next generation. i would say your point is mute. >> i acknowledged that. the thing about that talk is that i'm a even thor. if i teach my students something and then they miss it, or the class descends into chaos because they've missed the lesson, then i make a decision
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to come back in and reframe the conversation and help set my class back on track. and i don't think that you can, this is not a moment. i'm not saying that president obama is being, it might be time to redirect this. >> i would like, i want to interject one thing. donald trump doesn't come to any discussion. any parlay or discussion with clean hands. he got his initial 20% by basically a racist charge that obama is not an american, he pulled a street con, a scam as trump called and it somehow didn't go to the schools he went. to he said he wasn't there like he was a phantom. the charge was so outrageous. it could only appeal to a racist. why would anybody believe trump on a barack obama issue personally? why believe anything trump ever says he about barack obama? >> i don't know. there's a lot. as a conservative, there are a
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lot of issues witness president obama in terms of policy. i like him as a person, very much so. but to talk about some of the things that president trump has said when there's been issues that have could have up. some would call at this time scape goat. i would bring people back to february 2009 when president obama had an interview with your sister net boriwornetwork, nbc t lauer show. he said if the economy didn't turn around, it would be on me and he blamed, i will remind the viewers, it was george bush's fault. he continued with that narrative. even after three years. >> you are so right. >> oh, my gosh! chris matthews said i'm right about something. this is a win! >> your enthusiasm amazes me. why did he say that president obama didn't have the resume he
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had if he was not a racist. i never heard him say that about a white guy. >> i want to be very clear. i thought him doing that, the birther movement, i disagreed with all of that. to say that somebody, to allege that as he did, which he was completely wrong, utterly, it was disrespectful. i can't say that in itself is evidence of race i. >> stop, actually no. >> i can say that. >> carol i'm not, last word. >> listen, it's racism because it is plain to people who want to hear that because they are racist. saying it, whether or not it might have seemed racist to you is a racist act because it is plain to racists. by saying it. >> i've never heard that said that b a white guy. you're a foreigner. you're from another continent. you didn't go to school where did you. all your residence, your degrees, you're a phantom.
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>> it is extremely disrespectful. >> now you're agreeing with me. i should jump up and throw my hands in the air like did you. thank you. you got a little xoob tttle exu. and you're a beautiful call. our general education's rhetoric. the ability to make an argument. up next, he said he worries that president trump's access to the nuclear codes. tonight president trump went on the offensive attack him and the rest of his critics. they're talking about his possible mental unsoundness. so you miss the big city? i don't miss much... definitely not the traffic. excuse me, doctor... the genomic data came in. thank you. you can do that kind of analysis? yeah, watson. i can quickly analyze millions of clinical and scientific reports to help you tailor treatment options for the patient's genomic profile. you can do that? even way out here?
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are you questioning his fitness? >> yes, i do. >> is he a threat to national security? the president? >> he certainly could be. again, having some understanding of the leverage that a president can exercise, i worry about frankly, you know, the access to nuclear codes. in a fit of pique, he decides to do something about kim jong-un. there's actually very little to stop him. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was former director of national intelligence. james clapper's reaction to president trump's rally tuesday
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night when the president responded this morning tweeting, james clapper who famously got lying the congress is now an authority on donald trump. will he show you his beautiful letter to me? he wrote, the fake news is now complaining with my different times of back to back speeches. well, there was afghanistan, sober, and the big rally, enthusiastic, dynamic and fun, and the american legion, v.a., respectful and strong tooflt bad the dems have no one who can change tones. this comes with the president's expansion. california democrats are stoking a debate over donald trump's mental health and fitness for office, opening a new front in the resistance to the president. not just the opposition party. let's watch republican tennessee senator bob corker last week. >> the president has not yet,
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has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. he also recently has not demonstrated that he understands the character of this nation. >> here's our white house press secretary sarah sanders said today. >> i think that's a ridiculous and outrageous claim and doesn't dignify a response from this podium. >> i'm joined now by ron reagan. this has been a developing story, people of sound mind and body like gene robinson who has been on this show who begin to talk about the president's, not his politics but the swings of mood that the presses now decides are really matters of style. that's what he's calling it. he said the democrats can't watch my rhythmic going from
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crazy to calm, from wild to not wild, my dr. jekyll number as a matter of trade craft. that's what he's saying. i'm just quoting the president. >> it is what he's saying. maybe the democrats don't have anybody pathological enough to flip like that. you know, think about how extraordinary pits we're even having this conversation. you and i have differences with various presidents. i've been very tough on george w. bush for instance, on torture and thing like that burgs we're talking about a president's very sanity here. and doing it in a serious way. not a flippant, what a crazy thing that was, kind of way. we're genuinely worried and with good reason that the very sober people are worried that this man is simply unfit for office. emotionally, mentally, he does not have the stability to hold the office. >> so who will tell the story of this president? i just saw on tv the other day,
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a person with a split personality. one day he says i like barack obama, he's good human being and then he's not there, he doesn't exist. he's a phantom. >> that whole -- >> the trade craft. >> we're actinging like we're just realizing suddenly that donald trump is not well. but this has been apparent for a long time. all that business with barack obama and the birther stuff, that should have disqualified him a long time ago. it is not just a lie. a racist crazy lie. >> your father was president, jim baker set the schedule, kept the focus. did he a good job. he didn't change your dad. he just kept him disciplined. this guy, general kelly, his job is to make sure now nobody gets will to see him unless they go through me and now paper moves to him. like he's controlling the cage. like nothing gets into the cage.
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if write trump, i would fire him for saying. that he can't control trump at 6:00 in the morning when he starts burping out these tweets. he hasn't been able to stop that. >> no. you can't control a president who is pathological in his behavior. it is not that he's not behaving as a normal president does. he is not behaving as a normal grown-up does. he the human instincts. charlottesville or something else. the boy scouts, for god's sake, talking about going out on a yacht with a lot of women to the boy scouts. who does this? what adult would stand there and say that? or any of the, so many things that he says? he just doesn't seem to have the instinct for the appropriate mature stance given whatever circumstances he's facing. >> well, most of the time he does stuff your mother told you
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never to do. the manners. i think you touched on some interesting stuff. ron reagan, thank you. up next, president trump is rafring up attacks on the republican leadership. going after mitch mcconnell again. can he ever make anything happen on the hill if he makes them the fall guys? what good is to it blame them if nothing got done? you're watching "hardball." i've tried enough laxatives to cover the eastern seaboard. i've climbed a mount everest of fiber. probiotics? enough! (avo) if you've had enough, tell your doctor what you've tried and how long you've been at it. linzess works differently from laxatives. linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. it can help relieve your belly pain, and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements that are easier to pass. do not give linzess to children less than six, and it should not be given to children six to less than eighteen. it may harm them.
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president trump ramped up his attacks in both chambers writing on twitter, i requested that mitch mcconnell and paul ryan tie the debt ceiling legislation into the popular vet administration. so now we have a big deal with dems holding them up as usual. it could have been so easy. now a mess. tuesday in phoenix, trump raised
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the possibility of a different type of fiscal crisis. >> we have to close down our government. we're building that wall. >> threatening congress over building the wall, you may remember this. >> i will build a great, great wall on our southern border and i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. we will build a wall and mexico will pay for that wall. that wall will go up so fast your head will spin and you'll say, you know, he meant it. do you know what else i mean? mexico is going to pay for the wall. we will build a great wall along the southern border. and mexico will pay for the wall. >> a senior white house official tells nbc news, trump is serious about his shutdown threat over
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the wall. let's bring in our roundtable. and michael steele. everybody likes you, kill betterly. you're on a plane that's going too slow. you go to the front of the plane. you start beating on the door and beat tim pilot. the only way trump will get anything passed is mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. he's beating them up. >> especially with this shut down threat. there seems to be no end game. even if he does force a shun over building a wall, that won't be the solution. >> it's not that it shuts down for a couple days. he is saying it won't start up again until i get my wall. this is a only had situation.
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>> and you could have a bill going to trump. i think there will be a government shutdown. as you alluded to, it could be a while. >> we've had government shutdowns, the museums close, they turn the lights out in the washington monument. you can live with it for a couple weeks. what happens when we don't pay our bills? what happens when they say we're a deadbeat nation? >> they become like detroit that ran into new york. just deadbeat cities sflflt so the reality of what the president is talking about is putting the onus on his own party, his own political leadership for putting thousands of american citizens out of work, who worked the government, in various agencies. >> but he won't get -- after all that back and forth. there's no wall. so where are we going? >> the president doing bravado which he does very well. the reality is this.
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his problem is not democrats here. his problem are fiscal conservative who's won't want to spend a trillion plus more dollars. >> what good does it do to strap a suicide belt around the u.s. government? that's what he's doing. the blog up threat, i'm not going on eat my peas if you don't like me. >> he said this at a rally in arizona. he was in front of his supporters. he believed that he could rally. >> you say he is out of control. >> i said he believes everything use the support of his supporters to bully the congress to do what he wants to do. i don't think it will work for him. >> trump took a second shot at the republican leader writing, the only problem wif mitch mcconnell is that after hearing repeal and replace for seven years, he failed. he didn't get mccain's vote. whose fault is that?
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mccain doesn't like trump. he didn't like trump having need him. i know you need me at 1:30 in the morning. guess what. i remember everything you've said about me. while you were in new york, i was shot down over enemy territory in hanoi. that was scary. i did it for the country and i ended up being tortured for a couple years and you made fun of that. you want me to vote at 1:30 in the morning? i don't think mccain agreed with him. he didn't think the politics were right and he wasn't going to do something he didn't believe in so trump could be happy. >> and trump made it easier for little to vote no. how had about elaine chao who works for trump as transportation secretary. she's a nice person. if she wants to work for trump, that's her decision.
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can't give names just yes. >> they don't exist? >> they do exist. one way it may happen is if democrats agree to come to the negotiating table and give a little on their key agenda items such as tax reform. the fact this ongoing fight with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan is giving leaders a chance to give a little -- >> the boston herald has spoken. >> rick perry has been are diligently putting together an effort to level the playing field we'll have some success leveling that playing field. >> kimberly atkins and michael steele. we'll be right back trump watch.
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trump watch, thursday, august 24, 2017. there was a line i remember from the government sting operation in the 1970s that caught all those corrupt politicians in philadelphia and south jersey. it involved one of those being investigated. georgy knows what georgy has done. in criminal investigations, in the movies, tv or in real life, the guy who did what he did knows what he definitely he doesn't want to get caught. it is not a mystery to the guy who committed the crime.
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he knows it all. he knows what did he, what he was thinking when he did it. so you're watching donald trump the way i'll watching donald trump and you see certain signs. you see him react when the subject of russia comes up. you see him trying to stop the gears in this investigation with robert mueller. you see the prosecution machine worrying away right here in the same city where trump now lives day and night. determined to find the dirt under his finger nails. traces of conversations last summer and fall. signs that there were americans encouraging this moscow plot to put their man in the white house. so people can charge trump with being unstable or irrational or unhinged but there's none of that with russia and mueller and the hot shot lawyers putting every bit of their brain power and juice into find go out what trump has known even as he took oath of office in january. that's "hardball" for now.
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